New event InserreXtion coming soon

[scott h13]

The keep it safe promotion team the team behind the massive hangar 13 events are planning a massive new event that will take place each month @ the palace in sunderland.

The event name will be called INSERREXTION and will start in may or june 2004.

With the new licencing and drinking laws coming into force in april every licenced veune has the option to apply for all night drinking.
We are are going to ask the palace to appy for a 4am or later licence it all depends on how they want to have it and the times we are thinking to stage this event is 8pm til 4am.

This idea we have had for at least 2 years but never found a venue to suit it before and we think the palace is just the perfect place to try it out.

We will start to plan this after the next hangar 13 so stay tunned.

This event will feature all styles from hardcore to makina to old skool to hardhouse to hardtrance to keep it different from the hangar 13 style.

We want your ideas so please leave message's of what you would like to see or hear.

[Haston]

Great idea Scott again (even although it sounds like a wrestling event hehe)

My opinion is that this night will have to be different to Hangar, with the ever increasing popularity of Hardcore in the uk this might be the right time to put on an event of its type in the North East. So I say HARDCORE and I request that the big names are brought in... Scott Brown, Hixxy, Sharkey, Brisk, Sy etc (maybe one or two of them a month.. with a couple of MC's like Storm, Whizzkid)), also with a later license there is a great chance you will get punters from down south coming as well... thats my opinion!!

What d'ya think??

[scott h13]

I know the hardcore thing wont work up here now its all moved on and a few good tracks by scott brown and hixxy wont change it now its gone to far.
Nobody likes hardcore up here so i am going to go for the german side really the like of gollum,gary-d & coccoma to play old hardtrance and new hardtrance but i am not ruleing a set of hardcore every now and then or even every event.

Dont mind booking a few mc's from down south its most people dont mind them.

I dont think we will ever get people from down south making the journey there is too much going on around the country for them to try it out.
Scotlands the same pure old skool punters the barrowlands proved that when i lost the enough money to buy a cheap house.

See what the responce is from the north east possie before i start sorting things out.

[scott h13]

Ive had the name (inserrextion) in my book for 2 years its a class name for a event might get abit slated about it being abit close to the rez name.

[Haston]

Ok mate.. i'm well happy with Gary D, Cocooma etc especially if they do old stuff, that would be well good.

[scott h13]

Already been on there case about classic hardtrance set and live p.a

[Anth McNish]

Think this event is a quality idea, the more raves the better. Will this event be roughly the same price as the hanger.will both rooms be open or jus the main room, will hanger residents still mc and dj at this event or will it be a different line up

[scott h13]

The price will be the same as hangar as we are still bringing in djs from over seas and thats always a big cost in the buget.

To keep it different you will see different residents working each event along side the big names.

I think that room 2 should be closed on these events so we can have both balconys open to make it special.

[Rich]

Its interesting you say that uk hardcore is not popular in the north east. I for one love uk hardcore much more than makina and would love to see an event which has uk hardcore featured.

At the end of the day your in the producing scene and I have no doubts about your knowledge of your punters wants, but it would be interesting to see how Hardcore Land does.

[dj quake]

i think a uk hardcore set would b good each month but i would rather see cocooma and gary d @ the hangar. i dont really like the mc's from down south.. the only one i liked was mc mc but i think he moved to america :confused:

[Ty Flipside]

i think a uk hardcore set would b good each month but i would rather see cocooma and gary d @ the hangar. i dont really like the mc's from down south.. the only one i liked was mc mc but i think he moved to america :confused:

Yeah a hardcore set would be cool however you dont need southern MC's do ya.

[Ty Flipside]

Yeah a hardcore set would be cool however you dont need southern MC's do ya.

By the way, did I mention I play Hardcore?

Hint hint! :p

[scott h13]

UK hardcore music is not that popular around the northeast now and hasnt been since 98/99 and even when it was a bit popular it was mainly at the J/day events.
The afterdark 1,colosseum,venue and afterdark 2 was 80% italian dance music its just the way its always been up this end of the country.

I tryed 2 massive events 2 years ago with uk hardcore,scottish hardcore and old skool and lost £22.000 between the 2 events.

The main style now up this end is makina and i know 10% or 20% of the people here still like hardcore but that % does not fill clubs and when you have big money in events you have to go with what works and what fills clubs.

Ive been running raves and promoting events since 1997 and i have only lost out twice when i did them events above.

Most of the problem with the makina being so popular up here will be down to me finding it and importing it but at the time the club i was doing was dying because of the music and now the makina has picked up many clubs and new events have popped up because of it.

1 or 2 hardcore sets i wouldnt mind having on a event as i do like some of it and i dont slag the stuff i dont like but i have to take into account the people who always complain about this and i try to give everyone a bit of what they want.

I hope hardcore land does well for jason and mark i think it will be ok anyway but i dont think it will be most peoples cup of tea because of the makina fans unless there is a lot of people making the journey who are hardcore fans.

The new event my main guests will be german djs because none of them have ever played here apart from scotland or doncaster and the hardtrance style has always been massive here some of the classic of the northeast are from the likes of gollum,gary-d,coccoma,hunter,dean,shoko etc etc.

Ive been in contact with some top djs and booked them already and the flyers will be out soon with full line up.

[scott h13]

i have you penned in for 1 mate so dont worry it might be the 2nd or the 1st dont know yet i am just getting my ideas together.

[Ty Flipside]

I understand exactly where you are coming from Scott, I can fully understand the points and concerns you have put across there fully (it's good to see some constructive discussion on the Hardcore debate, it's just a shame that it is you & the fact that you lost so much money in trying to push a sound :( ) so thanks for posting a well thought out & truthfull point of view, it is greatly appreciated, not only by myself, but others also.

2 years ago the Hardcore scene was in it's worst state (a long period stemming back from late 1998), ask anyone within the Hardcore circuit, but obviously I know for a fact you know what you are talking about (unlike others that put up posts about this subject) as you are a well established person within the Hard Dance community & without you the scene would be alot worse off! FACT! So please don't think that I'm trying to teach you how to suck eggs (yorkshire term I think), this is purely for others not quite as well educated on the matter that might read this thread.

Thankfully, Hardcore has come on leaps & bounds over the past year (although others will say 2), with amazing production quality, more & more people moving into the music (from Trance, Hard House etc, etc), more & more events coming up and Hardcore being represented at some of the big name events within Hard House, Trance etc but it is also spreading it's wings through the mainstream (which even in it's prime:-1995-96-97 it never managed to achieve.

I wouldn't go so far as to say put on a full scale Hardcore event but some form of representation would be amazing (btw, that set at Powerhouse was so like the current Hardcore I couldn't believe it, loved every second as you could have probably told by my bouncing about in the booth).

Times have moved on & the Hardcore scene & it's followers are growing in numbers by the day, it's just to me, it seems that the North East has a massive divide in terms of whats cool & whats not, not a fact of whats good & whats not (I mean by that, people figure that because Makina's been played out for so long there is no room for any other style whatsoever, but hey, you've managed to push forward the German sound so anything is possible in my opinion). I love both Makina/German but choose to play Hardcore so I will always defend it, however I will never slag off the Makina or any other for that matter so I dont want people thinking that I do, theres plenty room for all these styles at the events, obviously the Spanish is more sought after but hopefully I can influence as many people as I can along with the likes of yourself (You know you love the new stuff!! :D ), and also with Mayhem, Illusion, Trixy, etc playing the stuff.

Fingers crossed the scene will continue to go from strength to strength & all parties concerned will only benefit from this, hopefully we can have a face to face discussion soon on this topic as I value your opinion on the matter having been through similar problems myself in the past.

Regards,

Ty.

[scott h13]

You hit the nail on the head there mate with the cool bit.

Ive had this sort of chat many a times with marc smith and m-zone 2 pros whos been at years and seen it all and they say its always been a hard job and alot different pushing something new or old in the northeast.

The scene is pretty good and very strong at the moment in the north east with hangar,oasis,monkey & power house all doing well i dont think there has ever been a time that there has been 4 raves going at the same time in the northeast.

I do wish people would be a bit more open minded here as ive played at many big events where they mix all styles in the main room from hardhouse to hardtrance to trance to gabba to hardcore and it works well.
Its a bit strange at times going from fast to slow and then back down to slow and fast again but no one seems to mind.

But as you know its a lot different here and people are very hard to please and if you dont please them or its not for them then the slagging starts.

[Ty Flipside]

Too true matey.

Either way, I'm into all styles currently being played out in the North East, although I don't live up there anymore, I still consider it my home so take a big interest in whats going on up there.

Its always been a little different in terms of music that is played out, ie:-Belgium, German, Italian from back in the day (1991-2-3) where nobody else in the country had heard of Ramirez/Dye Witness etc etc, they are considered classics now all over the country which were in my opinion showcased in the North East (and Scotland obviously).

Like yourself, I'm very open minded, however, us being open minded doesn't pull in the crowds & that is whats needed to run a successful event.

Massive respect though for giving varied styles a chance, it will pay off in the long run.

As the saying goes, you can please some of the people some of the time..................

;)

[Haston]

Thats pretty much what happened in scotland... Hardcore became uncool & commercial trance/hard house took over the clubs. We went from having many great Hardcore raves & clubs (including Rez which at times exceeded 15,000) to having absolutely nothing. It was exploited by many & then stabbed in the back. The only nights that survived played Gabber because there was always a small following for that. Still never recovered from that, a couple of not regular nights in Glasgow popping up playing a bit of UK Hardcore but thats it... I dont think there will ever be a scene in Scotland again... it's nice though that the so called 'dj's' that stabbed the scene in the back went on to do nothing for themselves & Scott Brown (who was slated to hell for sticking with hardcore) is enjoying worldwide success.

[Rich]

Some very valid points.

Im now going to post fairly unstructured but here some of my opinions...

It seems Scott is very reluctant to go down any sort of UK Hardcore route and afterall I don't blame him hearing about his loss. :(

However I agree with what Ty has said. UK Hardcore is a different scene to what it was back in 2002 and further still 2000. In recent times we have seen hardcore headline along massive hard house raves such as Sundissential and Tidy, we have just witnessed a whole 2 hour hardcore show on radio 1 and the recent bonkers albums have made it in the top ten UK complimation charts.

I feel there is definatly a starvation of any sort of hardcore sound accept for Makina in the north east. Im referring to Gabba, Happy Hardcore, UK Hardcore and Oldskool. Growing up on hardcore and later getting into Makina through living in Newcastle I find this strange as it seems to be the only area which does this. Even Scotland with likes of Twisted is able to showcase a varied amount of sounds, forcoming event for example has Gabba in the main room, Hixxy / Veggie will be pushing UK Hardcore / Makina and oldskool in a third room just to outline it.

I respect what Scott is saying about the 20% of people liking UK Hardcore. However at the end of the day it is all hardcore, well at least in my opinion. If UK Hardcore had some more exposure in raves such as Hangar 13 and Powerhouse I feel the north east will slowly start to accept it.

Sure I agree a complete hardcore event is prehaps not a good idea but with Hardcore's recent success and some people in the north east starting to want new hardcore I believe a set or two of UK hardcore would be a nice move in helping establish a variety of sounds in the north east.

[scott h13]

What i will proberly do is get one of the local djs to play hardcore and book a main hardcore dj have a couple of makina djs have a couple of hardtrance djs and 1 old skool dj something on that lines.

When i did the event in scotland every dj in the main room was at least 500+ and the pa's were over 1000 the first 1 was sort of ok needed about 1300 in to break even and got about 800 but the nights costings were 18.000 due to taking out radio ads and putting ads in dance mags.

And out of that 800 i took 200 up on coaches from the northeast and if i didnt put the ads on i think i wouldnt of even got 200 from scotland going.

The 2nd 1 i didnt take out any radio add but i put i ad in M8 mag and got rid of some door man to save some money as the venue tell you that you need 36,the line up was massive inc gollum and yanny i rang the shops on the day and asked how many tickets they had sold and all shops tallyed up to about 150 with 4 hrs to go.
As you know most tickets go in the last minute well i opened the doors and guest what 205 people came to a venue that holds 2500 and and i took the other 55 with me on coaches.

My fingers are still burning from the lession i got but i dont mind as its all a learning process and you have to take the bad with the good.

Now i just spend on events between 5000 and 7000 it all depends what time of year it is.

I hope hardcore does come back abit more or something new takes off as the makina cant last 4 ever well saying that the italian stuff is still going strong up here today,but no one really knows what the fuck will happen as people have been saying the rave scene is dying for at least 7 years ive been in the game.

[Haston]

Scotland is a dead scene though, unfortunately it just didnt respond.. especially after the first one which was really busy & a great atmosphere.. doesnt help though when you have to deal with thieving little schemie rats that think they are popstars (you know who i'm talking about scott) If you were paying 500+ for the DJ's at the 1st event then I think that was far too much.. clearly they were in it for the money and knew themselves that they werent going to start anything off, just milking it one last time. 1000+ for the pa's is a lot of money too, i'm not a big fan of scottish hardcore pa's either, I think they contributed a lot to the downfall of the scene, made a mockery of it a bit.

It was a hell of a lot of money to lose.. I think you would obviously get a better response in the North East with a similar event. There was a lot of greed involved in the Scottish scene, and that contributed to the scene dying on its arse.

[pac man]

i agree with the above comments - as you will see from my other comments

if the debate about hardcore has been started due the the fact of the hardcore land nite - wots the problem - the main arena has matrix - nitro - mayhem then theys the makina room anyway?

its good to see a nite with a bit of variety hardcore and makina

[Anth McNish]

yeah i think this too, when ther is a big event on, there should be diff rooms with diff styles, the crowd will be bigger i think as you get ppl likin diff music to each other, eg hardcore and makina. I dont think nessicarily that the north east dont like hardcore its jsu they are into makina at the moment and with most places only havin one main room then its hard to introduce other styles of music and therefore its hard to influence other to listen to other types, with the likes of hardcore land taking place this will give a better indication of whats styles people like with the amount off people in each room, alos mc's play a big part in this i think, if the crowd like certain mc's better then i believe you can get them listen to most styles jus to see the mc perform.

[pac man]

bang on mate - lets hope its as good as people say its gonna be :)

[Ty Flipside]

bang on mate - lets hope its as good as people say its gonna be :)

Definately but dont forget, like any event, it needs YOU to be there! :D

[mark_mac]

fact, the powerhouse under 18s gets 1200 youngins in who go there for the spanish music (although they call them monkey choons) but as soon as dj mayhem comes on with his new style hardcore type music the youngins start leaving and dont like it. the new ravers of today are all being brought up on monkey choons and nothing else, hardcore has been dead for years in the northeast and will stay burried

[markmayhem]

fact, the powerhouse under 18s gets 1200 youngins in who go there for the spanish music (although they call them monkey choons) but as soon as dj mayhem comes on with his new style hardcore type music the youngins start leaving and dont like it. the new ravers of today are all being brought up on monkey choons and nothing else, hardcore has been dead for years in the northeast and will stay burried


Fuckin hell mark!!

You enjoy repeating yourself dont you!!

[SmurfGGM]

Hmm, an interesting topic and some good comments.

I dont know much about Makina and isn't UK hardcore a new term for happy hardcore to try & make it sound cool ?? :D

Multi-arena events are the way to introduce anything new to the North East.

Its a shame that hardcore has all but dissapeared from up here since Judgment Day ended. :(

We've been putting on small hardcore (gabba, speedcore, breakcore) party's around Newcastle in small venue's and various warehouses recently and we're getting a good response and a good crowd.

We've got a few more warehouse party's coming up soon and there's a big possiblity of something big happenning towards the end of the year with a large Scottish promotor, with around 5 rooms of various styles..........

Oh, one more thing. Its intrigue's me that the MC's around here are more popular than the DJ's !?? Anyone care to try & explain why ??