We need a UK Hardcore event

[Rich]

Anyone agree?

UK Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, Oldskool Hardcore, Piano Tunes and the rest?

[dj quake]

Anyone agree?

UK Hardcore, Happy Hardcore, Oldskool Hardcore, Piano Tunes and the rest?

hopefully when i find sum1 that'll go halfs with iz for an event up here i hav 2southern hardcore dj's coming up.. vapour and e-vade :p

[Dj Response]

Agreed mate, i think a lot of ppl are getting bored of makina at the moment, need summit new n fresh.

[Ty Flipside]

I play hardcore so am totally for it, however, getting the numbers in is the main problem. It's wkkd having hardcore more recognised now but like anything these days, try something 100% new & people are very wary, sticking only to nights they know they will definately enjoy.

Maybe one day soon!

[dooban]

well why do you have to have a 'completely' hard core night. I dont understand, if i were to set up a night i'd have loadsa difference genres and DJs who mix different genres to keep it different. myself as a DJ play all sorts and they all mix new age makina, old makina, hard trance, uk hardcore, hard style - all makes for a better set in my opinion

why shouldnt this work for an event? keep regulars coming but introduce em to new stuff as well gradually - not jsut another makina night of same old same old

[Rich]

Yeah I agree with that.

I recorn if it was held in Newcastle and you added a bit of scouse house that people get in The Cage, Pig N Whistle etc and also advertised in these places you'd get a few more people.

Interestingly an event called History of Dance ran a year or so ago was very popular. It covered oldskool hardcore and drum and bass. Advertised around the unis etc.

I recorn an event primilary hardcore but with support from oldskool and scouse house could pull the crowds, with the right advertising. I mean somewhere in Newcastle would be a good place to start. Most people won't travel to unknown villages like Houghton Le Spring. Treating it as a club event and not a rave would help too.

[Rich]

Yeah i've been thinking about this more...

The way I see it theres three kind of crowds you would need to attract. The usual "fred perry" crowd who go to the current makina events, the oldskoolers who remember what it was like back in the day and prehaps some new people.

I think having the following event would work...

Smurf - Attract all the local gabba heads. He seems to be currently getting gabba back on the map.

Bit of scouse hosue - For all the locals who are used to Newcastle's bar life / ikon etc.

Makina DJ or two - For all the ravers at the moment.

Oldskool act (has to be big) - Someone like The Ratpack or Slipmatt. Someone who will give an oldskool anthems set and will be able to attract that side of the market.

Some hardcore jocks.

The thing is a lineup like this might be too vaired.

If however someone could get a venue in Newcastle. Prehaps the one of the student unions (thats where the History of Dance nights were held), advertise it correctly and in the right places (ie the current rave boards, at events and in bars accross the place). Then I think it could work a treat.

Prehaps the only thing is the styles are too varied.

[dj_n-gage]

If you wanted it to be a success, having it down the town and playing gabber wouldn't work mate. Theres not enough people like it for a start and most ravers/clubbers won't listen to it. Just my thoughts m8!
Eddie

[dj quake]

if u hav 2 or 3 makina sets.. smurf doin gabba, then maybe a colosseum set and a venue set that would work with a couple of uk hardcore sets too like ty flipside doing one then get sum1 like scott brown or breeze doing a set it would work... if ya had house on it, it would probably kill it unless it was the first set as a warm up

[steve O]

I think the main problem here would be the rave factor. Coz technically it wud b a rave. If u were going 2 introduce a one off event, gabba may b ok but if it was something which would continue running (which i hope it would) i think gabba is a no go, well at first anyway coz im really into hardcore but i still think gabba is shit n will put sum of the 'softer' ppl off(in the sense of music). Having sum1 like Haston is a gud idea coz he sumtimes mixes scott brown stuff wiv well known makina choons. I think this wud b the best way to blend hardcore in,not jus having different sets for different genres but a cross within sets. If it was gonna b held in town i think a hardhouse or trancey hardcore DJ like Breeze/Styles or Dougal or sum1 like Sy or Scott Brown who can pull crowds with reputation only. 2b honest, theres no 'right' formula', u just need 2 get ppls opinions n stuff like that, see wot ppl want n try n combine that with what we want 2 giv them (in this case hardcore)

Jesus I blathered a bit!

[Ty Flipside]

Some very good ideas there, heres my view(some people wont agree with me but heres what I personally think at the moment, I will probz be wrong in some of my assumptions like haha):=

Just needs someone to take it on board & pull it off, it's a shame once again that the south seems to put on the really big varied music policy events (including styles such as Hardcore, Hard House/Trance, Old Skool etc etc) yet Diztruxshon in Donny (Doncaster) seem to really pull it off big time, they have been at it for over 10 years mind.

Trouble I see at the minute with any event, its a problem getting in the RIGHT amount of numbers, it's okay if you just wanna put on a night with low overheads, but once you start booking the "Big" names, it becomes a totally different story, add to that the fact of can you secure the booking!? 9 times out of 10 yes, but believe me, waving the fee in front of them doesnt guarentee that they'll play for you:-

Multi arena events are the way to go ideally, BUT.........arenas can look empty IF you dont get the right amount of people in, single arenas are equally tricky, cos if the majority of people aint 100% into the lineup, they wont go.

Ticket price on top of that is a major factor, but you need to cover your ass & make money as it can be like a full on job just promoting the damn thing.

I may be coming across a little negative & dont mean to, it's just all this Hardwork putting into something "new" & "fresh/different" aint really a risk most people wanna take due to the extremely high "Risk Factor" involved.

It's all about brand imo, look at events such as Slammin Vinyl & Hardcore Heaven, they didnt start off with 5k people going every event, they've built up 10 years of reputation & so the names go hand in hand with a good night & they can charge pretty much what they want & people will attent in their thousands.

What I'm trying to say is, if it were a successfull thing to do in the first place, there would be some events doing it now, unfortunately, it's a grind & uphill struggle to get going & get it known to the majority, once again, not many promotors wanting to "risk" their money pumping into it.

Other than that, I would love to see an event, like the ones mentioned above, would be amazing! Thankfully the events at the moment have variety, okay so its usually 90% Makina, but its getting there slowly but surely!

Respekka!

[haha]

there is a hardcore event at ikon in newcastle coming very soon with the likes of force and styles and all them not sure of the date but is deffonitly happening !!!

[Rich]

Just seen this...

HARDCORE EVENT @ IKON , NEWCASTLE IN AUGUST

SCOTT BROWN - BRISK - SHARKY - AMBER D - BASS GENERATOR - DJ TERROR

LOADS MORE ...

2PM-MIDNIGHT

2 ROOMS

[Haston]

Well that looks pretty fucking good.. Sharkey is amazing everytime ive seen him, MCing or DJing, total entertainer.

[steve O]

Scott Brown and Brisk??!! Holy moly.

[steve O]

when when when????

[dooban]

going back to the original subject i think flipsides made some good points. its all ok to talk in theory about what you would do with an event but the practical side of it is whats hard

(apart from all the " " in this paragraph any way ahah)
I may be coming across a little negative & dont mean to, it's just all this Hardwork putting into something "new" & "fresh/different" aint really a risk most people wanna take due to the extremely high "Risk Factor" involved.

[Rich]

It would have to be a small night to begin with.

Somewhere like Liquid in Newcastle would be good. A venue that starts to look acceptable as soon as a few people are through the door.

I don't see why it can't happen...

[djtonyeldorado]

The Music Scene Wouldn`t Be Were It Is Today Without Hardcore Would Someone Please Tell Dj Scott That There`s More Music Than Just Spanish Makina,the Music Has Never Stopped Over In Rotterdam And Dj Scott Brown Doesn`t Do Old School No More As He Moves On With The Times And He Plays A Bouncy Uk Set For 40mins Then 20mins Of The Real Hardcore As He Likes To Build The Crowd Up And If Dj Scott Asks Him Not To Play Real Hardcore Then Whats The Point Him Going/whats Dj Scott Going To Do If He Starts Playing Proper Hardcore?kick Him Off The Decks - I Don`t Think So You Can`t Ask The Lord Of Hardcore To Play Cheesy Stuff.
Long Live Hardcore And If Anyone Knows Of Any Proper Hardcore Events Please Let Me Know.i Am 100% Hardcore!!long Live Hardcore!!! Bring Back Judgement Day!!!

[Rich]

Hi,

Ok about that Ikon event that I posted about. I have some more details.

I believe the event is called Exodus. I know from a source that Brisk and Sharkey have been booked to play this event (theres know doubt that the others have as well but these two djs I know for a fact are booked). The event is on the 1st of Augest.

Hopefully the promoter won't mind me publishing these details. If I have stepped out of line then I appologise.

The only thing that worries me is that the event is a month away and there is still no official word on the bangin promotions website. Also the 2pm - 12am is shit times for an event. Im not critising but this will put people off.

Anyway ill be there. I just hope they get some advertising together so the crowd will be pulled. Can't be cheap booking that many big names.

[dj quake]

It would have to be a small night to begin with.

Somewhere like Liquid in Newcastle would be good. A venue that starts to look acceptable as soon as a few people are through the door.

I don't see why it can't happen...

do u hav a contact number for liquid? i'll giv em a phone sumtime see what the costs would b to put an event on there... also see if they hav dex and a good sound system.

so far i hav.. u playin hardcore, me makina-hardtrance-italian, dj magic makina, possibly smurf gabber, e-vade uk hardcore, maybe i could get veggie down playin bouncey techno, mischief and verzatile b2b makina, and another couple of sets from sum other dj's (depending on how long we could get a venue for) but they wont b makina sets, maybe another uk hardcore set and a colosseum set from sum1 like trouble, react, scott or attack..

if ne1 would like to gan halfs with me of the party then that'd b wicked... as long as i cover the costs of what i spend and pay all the dj's and mc's the other person who puts cash in could keep the remainder of the profit

[Rich]

LIQUID
36 Cloth Market, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 1EE

Telephone: 0191 2324972


Also try...

LEGENDS
77 Grey Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 6EF
www.legendsbarandclub.co.uk
Tel : 0191 232 0430
Opening Times: Until 3am friday and sat
More Information

Pig N Whistle would be good as well...

0191 2323326

Also Smurf does gigs at the Stout Fiddler... but thats a pub. So maybe there.

Also theres a place that expirence in Newcastle was held. Prehaps something could be held there.

[Marky_P]

Hi,

Ok about that Ikon event that I posted about. I have some more details.

I believe the event is called Exodus. I know from a source that Brisk and Sharkey have been booked to play this event (theres know doubt that the others have as well but these two djs I know for a fact are booked). The event is on the 1st of Augest.

Hopefully the promoter won't mind me publishing these details. If I have stepped out of line then I appologise.

The only thing that worries me is that the event is a month away and there is still no official word on the bangin promotions website. Also the 2pm - 12am is shit times for an event. Im not critising but this will put people off.

Anyway ill be there. I just hope they get some advertising together so the crowd will be pulled. Can't be cheap booking that many big names.
1st august is on sunday

[Rich]

Yep thats right...

Its bank holiday monday the next day. So yeah to confirm, it is meant to be on a Sunday that isn't a typo.

[badboy_dj]

There is only 1 bank holiday in august and thats the 30th august the 1st of august is a normal sunday mate.

[Rich]

My mistake.

[badboy_dj]

Yeh i asked my sister this morning and there is no bank holiday that weekend shame might of went but its no good when you have to be at work for 8 the next the morning.

[dj quake]

LIQUID
36 Cloth Market, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 1EE

Telephone: 0191 2324972


Also try...

LEGENDS
77 Grey Street, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 6EF
www.legendsbarandclub.co.uk
Tel : 0191 232 0430
Opening Times: Until 3am friday and sat
More Information

Pig N Whistle would be good as well...

0191 2323326

Also Smurf does gigs at the Stout Fiddler... but thats a pub. So maybe there.

Also theres a place that expirence in Newcastle was held. Prehaps something could be held there.
cheers mate :)

[djtonyeldorado]

cheers mate :)
Keep us informed of any progress!!!, I need a good quality HARDCORE NIGHT. :)

[destructive]

Tiz true we need to get the hardcore side of it back on again but with ppl like dj scott that aint gonna happen. Smurf is the top boy he is a livin legend scott can only be his rodey ! Soz but thats the tooth the hole tooth and nothing but the tooth. I stopped going to the hangar about 1 and a half year ago coz it was to repetitive and if scott brown aint allowed to let his hair down and play wot he wants then whats the fuckin point in hiring him ? Howay scott man get a grip.

[scott h13]

If the hardcore is what all the people wanted why is it the only sort of nights you see at this neck of the country has very small attendance and crap venues.
And when you try big events like these example (hardcore land) hardlys no body turns up because only 10 or 20% of the northeast ravers are into hardcore now and that % does not fill clubs or nights that cost bewteen 5000 & 10000+ to put on
So if thats what the people wanted why arnt these nights turning people away because they are so full.

Even a few years back bassy g tryed JD events again and they didnt work and the JD events were the only and main hardcore event around the northeast and he has tryed a few other events that didnt work so even he knows it wont work now adays up here.

The reason i asked scott brown not to play gabba is because i know 80% of the crowd wont like it and complain about it to me.

This is not me trying to change a scene i am moving with the changes if the makina didnt come along the rave days would of been finished up here around 1999 when it was going down hill fast.

Anyone who wants to put a big scale hardcore event on please try it and i hope it works but be willing to lose big money if it doesnt.

[dj_n-gage]

Well said Scott hardly no one in the North East likes hardcore, its not bouncy at all. It trys to sound like trance as well I'd rather listen to proper trance anyday, rave music should be bouncy lol not trancey! ;)

[Rich]

Scott, I agree with what your saying. A big full scale event like Hardcore Land / Slammin Vinyl won't work.

However I think what we are talking about (or at least me anyway) is a small event. In a small club / bar with some hardcore jocks. They don't even have to be big names. Just a small run event like a lot of the Makina ones.

Theres plenty of Makina events like this at the moment, so I don't see why hardcore couldn't also work. Oasis is a good example of hardcore working. However Oasis isn't good for the Newcastle lot. For example if I went to Oasis i'd either have to leave at 9 for the last bus to Newcastle or get a taxi all the way from Bishop Aukland to Newcastle (a lot for such a small event).

I recorn a small event booking local dj's to play hardcore could pull it off. Prehaps 6 months down the line even hire a big name.

[dj quake]

Scott, I agree with what your saying. A big full scale event like Hardcore Land / Slammin Vinyl won't work.

However I think what we are talking about (or at least me anyway) is a small event. In a small club / bar with some hardcore jocks. They don't even have to be big names. Just a small run event like a lot of the Makina ones.

Theres plenty of Makina events like this at the moment, so I don't see why hardcore couldn't also work. Oasis is a good example of hardcore working. However Oasis isn't good for the Newcastle lot. For example if I went to Oasis i'd either have to leave at 9 for the last bus to Newcastle or get a taxi all the way from Bishop Aukland to Newcastle (a lot for such a small event).

I recorn a small event booking local dj's to play hardcore could pull it off. Prehaps 6 months down the line even hire a big name.
thats my thinking too rich... start small and build if it gets good crowds.

[dj quake]

Keep us informed of any progress!!!, I need a good quality HARDCORE NIGHT. :)
will do matey

[scott h13]

A small venue type event will proberly work if you dont expect too much at first but you will need at least 2 sets of makina to at least give the crowd who like that a lift.The time zone it was playing mainly hardstlye and the last few month its had a sort of 2 set of makina or rave stuff put into the night and its getting a few more people in not loads but doing better than it was.

A few of yous should get together and chip in and do a small event and see how it goes i can add another project to my life i dont have time to fart with what i do now but i will help you to getting flyers out in records i sell from makina or internet & shops.

[dj quake]

A small venue type event will proberly work if you dont expect too much at first but you will need at least 2 sets of makina to at least give the crowd who like that a lift.The time zone it was playing mainly hardstlye and the last few month its had a sort of 2 set of makina or rave stuff put into the night and its getting a few more people in not loads but doing better than it was.

A few of yous should get together and chip in and do a small event and see how it goes i can add another project to my life i dont have time to fart with what i do now but i will help you to getting flyers out in records i sell from makina or internet & shops.
yeah, thats what i need sum1 to go halfs with me or a few of us together... i cant fork out 400quid it would probably cost on my own, thats impossible atm, but £200 i can raise no problem. i might kno a guy whos willing to go halfs with me but if he decides not to and ne1 else is interested drop me a pm or an email

that would b wicked about the flyers scott, cheers mate :)

[dj quake]

little bit of news smurfs agreed to dj the event, ive also bin given bassy g's email so im gonna email him now ask what he'd cost. i'll get a price of everything first and see what the total for the party would b... :)

[Jay FX]

I've been following this from a lurkers point of view for awhile now.
I deffo agree about the small venue to start off with but i dont agree in getting any Makina dj's involved at all.
If ya gonna have a Hardcore event then its gonna have to be 100% Hardcore for the people who want it.
I myself am not realy a Makina fan and have been into Upfront Hardcore for some years now.
I'm sure if ya ask the likes of Ty Flipside he'd be well up for playing at this event and I am quite sure I could get Scott Devotion to come up and Play aswell.
I'l keep watching and see how ya get along. :cool:

[dj quake]

I've been following this from a lurkers point of view for awhile now.
I deffo agree about the small venue to start off with but i dont agree in getting any Makina dj's involved at all.
If ya gonna have a Hardcore event then its gonna have to be 100% Hardcore for the people who want it.
I myself am not realy a Makina fan and have been into Upfront Hardcore for some years now.
I'm sure if ya ask the likes of Ty Flipside he'd be well up for playing at this event and I am quite sure I could get Scott Devotion to come up and Play aswell.
I'l keep watching and see how ya get along. :cool:
i do see what u mean, but the idea of the party is giving the ppl that pay the money to dance what they like to hear. im sure the majority of ppl here like makina and if the party did turn into a 100% hardcore event they wouldnt turn up.

as i posted on evo, if it does go ahead. it will b an event to cater for every1's taste... hopefully 2 makina sets me and magic + a guest, one classic rez set by bassy g hopefully, one colosseum set, one gabber set by smurf, one bouncey techno set and 2 uk hardcore sets hopefully one by rich and one by dj e-vade

that defo has a little bit of everything, so no1 should go home disapointed

[Jay FX]

Yeah I've been talking to evade like he seems well up for it....canny distance from Cornwall like.
Well good luck with it mate and keep me updated....I'm still not sure about the Makina sets tho....I realy think theres prolly a good 200-300 people that would attend a 100% Hardcore night if the promotion and the price was right.

[Rich]

Ok Quake... We seem to be thinking along the same lines.

I can't commit myself to the plan yet and I certainly don't want to waste your time with fake promises and the rest of it. However I am very interested in copromoting an event with you. I'm at a weird stage of my life finically to be able to commit just yet. We would need to have a serious chat about it.

If you are serious about promoting an event and would approach it sensibly then I would like to help out and be a part of the running process. Hopefully i'll have some *good* finicial income if a job comes through now I have graduated.

I'll speak to you more about it over MSN. Give me a message when your next online.

[cosh33]

i think we should hire a field and a big tent and just have a big hardcore party playing what ever we want that way every one gets what they want

[dj quake]

bassy g will dj at it but hes wanting a hell of a lot more then will b possible to pay... back to the drawing board i guess

[destructive]

Darn mr bassy g ! u not got a contact 4 lenny d in fact im sure smurf still speaks to him u might have to pay his plane fair from america tho ! Nar but its worth a shot quakey m8. Zippy n Trixy charge 30 quid an hour each or summit im sure of it try them i got a number 4 trix if want quakey m8 just email iz.

[badboy_dj]

Not really into the old or new hardcore but i would be willing to give it a look.

Are any of you from s/land and wanting to go to the hangar 13 boat trip ive got a few spare seats on our coach.??

[dj quake]

Darn mr bassy g ! u not got a contact 4 lenny d in fact im sure smurf still speaks to him u might have to pay his plane fair from america tho ! Nar but its worth a shot quakey m8. Zippy n Trixy charge 30 quid an hour each or summit im sure of it try them i got a number 4 trix if want quakey m8 just email iz.
probably the budget will b £400 and hes wanting £300 of that for a 2hour set.. nee badness meant to him like but it is a bit much imo to expect that for playing for 2hours... especially when hes living sumwhere in newcastle and its not like he flying in from fuck knows where and has to arrange travel etc...

yeah i 4got about zippy and trixy... i need to speak to rich and flood see what we can all come up with

[dj quake]

Not really into the old or new hardcore but i would be willing to give it a look.
thats the spirit mate!

[badboy_dj]

To be honest mate i wouldnt even give him half of that he is not that good and i think he is taken the piss asking that much he has done fuck all for years.
You could spend that dosh on more and better djs who are in the scene now.

[Rich]

Yeah I hear Hixxy only wants £400 and thats Hixxy... I imagine some others are £500... Anyway yeah £300 is steep in my opinion. Although he did produce one of my fav ever bouncey techno tunes. Still I don't think you would get £300's worth of crowd pulling from his name.

[dj quake]

Yeah I hear Hixxy only wants £400 and thats Hixxy... I imagine some others are £500... Anyway yeah £300 is steep in my opinion. Although he did produce one of my fav ever bouncey techno tunes. Still I don't think you would get £300's worth of crowd pulling from his name.
no way i'd pay £300 for him even if i had it to b honest. he wouldnt pull ppl in

ive arranged dj veggie from scotland. he plays loads of different styles, he is great on the dex, and great lad too so his set aint to b missed :)

[Rich]

Quake you need to come on MSN more. :D

[SmurfGGM]

Best of luck with the event guys.

Just hope you can find a decent venue !

[jonny]

.............. :rolleyes:



.... an early starting-late finishing, no-frills, over sixteen event ( NO ALCOHOL! ), nowhere special (not in a regular nightclub!) but clean (toilets especially) with 2 small rooms (chill/gabba+hard techno etc) and 1 main hall .... not forgetting a canny price on the door and at the bar + free tap water from the bar, good security, and medical presence....


so far as main hall music policy goes ... it would need to a reflection of what people in the northeast listen too... 100% UK hardcore we are not and have never been, i would say 20 % uk hardcore only is a good for an event in newcastle upon tyne.

[dj_orbit]

hardcore is balls dont yous recon? it does yr head in lol